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Post by ronaldo11 on Mar 14, 2006 17:22:16 GMT -6
Ok pleb....why dont you finally understand this point - I dont care what the name of the thread is. "I am only interested in discussion and the search for truth". If you mean that, then stop talking about the name of the thread!! Gosh, how lame can you be??
Fantasy football has a lot to do with luck. Twice, i've appeared in the top ten of newspaper premiership fantasy leagues, and you only came in the top 250 for the world cup? For someone who obviously tries so WHO DAT hard in these competitions, thats woeful. I didnt do the fifa one, but I did a league at my sister's worldwide company, and won it! You're a silly boy.
Owen is my hero? Lol, how'd you figure that one out. After all, i've said on more than one occassion that Im not even his greatest fan. Im not even a Liverpool fan! Hasnt done anything in the last two years??? You really dont know anything! HE BECAME A CROWD FAVOURITE AT REAL MADRID WITH SUCH LIMITED PLAYING TIME BECAUSE HE NEVER COMPLAINED AND SCORED LOADS OF GOALS!!! And now he's come to Newcastle and scored 7 goals in 10 games!! If you think of how Liverpool's strikers are going now, that's a huge achievement. EVERY EXPERT IN THE GAME is saying that Liverpool should get rid of 3 of their current 4 strikers in order to buy back Michael Owen. Why?? BECAUSE HE HAS NOT LOST HIS TOUCH!!! Stop arguing with the experts.
Well seeing as you just made the same point about watching games, it seems that you're the sophist! Guess what, Aristotle noted that people start talking about other things when they know that they're defeated.
Wouldnt this thread be nicer without an unsophisticated idiot like you!
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Post by deridderforward#23 on Mar 14, 2006 18:24:49 GMT -6
again ronaldo is correct. owen will change your mind again because he just is up there with the best. i was checking something out about the great portuguese player eusebio if you have heard of him usasoccerboy and he named his top 100 players of today (now) and michael owen was at number 11. zidane was number 1 and eusebio knows what hes talking about. well you watched 1 goal that owen scored in 1998 which was amazing i know but he still scores goals like that. i actually think hes much better than he was back then. he had many 20+ goals seasons since 1998 and is on a 7 goal in 10 game streak with newcastle which is not very bad as ronaldo said. u have not seen much of him lately cause hes at newcastle which onestly is not a major club but he is still a sweet footy player and will still be scoring top quality goals when hes 30 on the international stage if he hasnt retired. and he will still be weaving in and out of players. like everyone says especially at liverpool. (theres only 1 michael owen)
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Post by usasoccerboy on Mar 14, 2006 19:41:45 GMT -6
Eusebio? LOL! The Portuguese (Actually from Mozambique) Black Pearl of the Benfica and the Boston Minutemen ? Lol! Wow, that is such a difficult history to grasp. Not!
Yea, I only watched 1 game in the 98 WC. LOL! So typical of your type to think you know so much, but show so little.
There is only one Micheal Owen. Well that settles it. Once again. You guys get your panties in a bunch because I don't fawn over a player who produces so inconsistently.
I know this, England will not win this years world cup, although on paper they seem to be capable of it. Once again, they will play strong defensively and will try to win 1-0 in every game. They will come up short, they always do.
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Post by coachray40 on Mar 14, 2006 21:01:36 GMT -6
I'm siding with soccerboy on Owen. Probably the most OVERRATED player in England right now. Owen is the definition of inconsistent, and is playing at one of the few clubs that will take him. Owen scores the predominant # of his goals on throughballs/breakaways, and can beat NO ONE in a 1v1 situation except for just kicking it past them and trying to outrun them--he looks like an Over 40 player playing on some rec field in LA. Push Owen to the flanks where he has to beat somebody and he struggles, looking lost and weak.
As for him "going through a little injury spell"--Owen has been going through alittle injury spell with his hamstrings for like 5 years. ITS ALWAYS A PROBLEM. Owen is a nonfactor now, and will be a nonfactor for the English side (if he even goes) in Germany.
As for Fowler, he has really tailed off since his infamous line of cocaine celebration while at Liverpool. I liked him best at Leeds ( ah Leeds--Fowler, Alan Smith, Jermaine Pennant, Rio Ferdinand, Mark Viduka, Lee Bowyer, Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink, David Trezeguet, Harry Kewell on the same team at the same time--how did they not destroy Europe?)
I dont find Fowler in form for the World Cup. Rooney, Dafoe, Bent, Smith and Crouch make the trip. Owen will get some "injury relapse" that will give him an out to cover his poor showing and lack of selection to the national team for Germany '06
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Post by ronaldo11 on Mar 15, 2006 2:56:10 GMT -6
Owen's playing at one of the clubs that could afford him at the time. Liverpool wanted & still want him! As for 'rounding' the goalkeeper...i dont think so. He scores with good finishes most of the time. Owen also did well 'on the flanks' for Real Madrid, and makes good runs down the channel. I think he'll be back by this time next month and that'll give him 2 good months to get back into top shape. If he had been out for this long with a hamstring injury, then i'd perhaps agree that we wouldnt see the best of Owen this world cup, but as its a bone injury, he'll be fine. Im not sure if a rec player could score 3 against Germany in Germany, score against Brazil in the world cup and score regularly against the Argentinian national team. Either that or i shall send some chelsea scouts to orice roth. David Trézeguet at Leeds?? Did i miss something? Im not sure who you could be thinking of...
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Post by beckhamismyidol on Mar 15, 2006 10:56:44 GMT -6
just a random fact here on micheal owen, he's started only TEN games for newcastle and is second top scorer behind Shearer (who has started 25 games and has 10 goals, 6 coming in the premiership) with 7 goals, ALL coming in the premiership. Sounds QUITE consistent if you ask me. Oh and he also started only 20 games for Madrid and managed to get 13 goals. Your argument on Micheal Owen has officially been defeated. He's scored a goal in over 50% of his games which doesn't seem to happen too often, I feel that if he ahdn't have broken his foot, he would still be scoring week in and week out. Guy's quality, did anybody else see his goal in Euro 2004 against Portugal like 3 minutes into the game, flick over the keeper, quality.
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Post by deridderforward#23 on Mar 15, 2006 16:53:03 GMT -6
someone else knows wat hes talkin about like i said there no stoppin that owen lads.
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Post by deridderforward#23 on Mar 15, 2006 17:01:44 GMT -6
david trezuguet at leeds hahahaha funny stuff you obviously dont know what your talking about mate. the only guy i think your on about is oliver dacourt who is know at roma. please give up on this subject guys because i, ronaldo and davidbeckham ismyidol know what there talking about and you guys obviously dont. and alan smith is not going to the world cup because if you at least listen abit to english footy he had a horrible break in his leg against my liverpool so please just keep your opinions to yourself because your wrong about owen and he would score against any club if he was 40 and he does not play like a 40 year old. i watch interviews with teams and they are all scared of owen. its hard to score in the premiership as it is. but owen is not overrated never has been and is just a quality player that he onestly is. dont care what u guys say. its a bunch of bollocks.
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Post by usasoccerboy on Mar 15, 2006 17:13:54 GMT -6
Owen's goal against Brazil was a gift goal from an errant play by Brazil's Cafu. Other than that, Owen was invisible the entire game, as was much of the entire England team. Brazil spotted them the goal, and then proceded to dominate England playing a man down.
I will admit that Owen's scoring percentage is a good argument, but my argument is that Owen is less effective at the highest level. Scoring on a lower table La Liga or EPL team is different than scoring on WC winning teams.
No one is saying Owen is a crappy player. His speed is a factor teams have to deal with, but in the World Cup, he is more than likely to be contained. Again, he is a good player, but not a top striker like a Rooney, Henry, RVN, Ronaldo, etc. That is my argument and opinion.
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Post by bignasty on Mar 15, 2006 19:24:36 GMT -6
david trezuguet at leeds hahahaha funny stuff you obviously dont know what your talking about mate. the only guy i think your on about is oliver dacourt who is know at roma. please give up on this subject guys because i, ronaldo and davidbeckham ismyidol know what there talking about and you guys obviously dont. and alan smith is not going to the world cup because if you at least listen abit to english footy he had a horrible break in his leg against my liverpool so please just keep your opinions to yourself because your wrong about owen and he would score against any club if he was 40 and he does not play like a 40 year old. i watch interviews with teams and they are all scared of owen. its hard to score in the premiership as it is. but owen is not overrated never has been and is just a quality player that he onestly is. dont care what u guys say. its a bunch of bollocks. Where's my name? I've been with you the whole time. Show some love.
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Post by usasoccerboy on Mar 15, 2006 22:13:34 GMT -6
Looks like the Arsenal attack woke up today. But then again, it was against Fulham who has been God awfull as of late in the back. The only good news was Bocanegra was not involved in todays debacle.
Oh, Fowler scored. So did Crouch, Cisse and Morientes, who is another old veteran looking to get back into form.
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Post by ronaldo11 on Mar 16, 2006 2:03:05 GMT -6
Looks like the Arsenal attack woke up today. But then again, it was against Fulham..... You mean Liverpool . And also....coachray is part of the toon army, and its liverpool v newcastle this weekend, so we'll let that sort that out!
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Post by deridderforward#23 on Mar 16, 2006 13:26:11 GMT -6
and michael owens goals was not given he took it past one player from a a pass and taken it past the defender not cafu but i forgot his name i think hes at bayern munich. you shouldnt be able to score alot of goals on the worldcup stage this year but michael owen and rooneys goals may be close to the scoring tally of all of the usas goals.
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Post by deridderforward#23 on Mar 16, 2006 13:28:10 GMT -6
michael owen is as good as rvn and all them just is going through a bad patch that rvn and all other top strikers go through. he can score against anyteam anyway so u cannot tell me that he has lost his touch. your talkin alot of crap. and bignasty knows wat hes talkin about
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Post by deridderforward#23 on Mar 16, 2006 13:33:30 GMT -6
please watch him closely in the world cup because he is a big up for our england team when he plays. england dont play as good without him because hes such a good leader. and i dont think brian mcbride, landon donovan, brian ching or any of the forwards could score twice against argentina with classy goals like owen scored against them.
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Post by deridderforward#23 on Mar 16, 2006 13:34:05 GMT -6
this argument is like about owen being crap is like me saying peter crouch is the best in the world.
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Post by bignasty on Mar 16, 2006 15:36:37 GMT -6
true that. I don't see why this has taken up like 2 pages now. I mean striker's do go through slumps, although I wouldn't call an injury a slump, on the international and club level, but when Owen has been healthy he has been far from "slump" form.
Owen and Rooney will start for England. That is how it's been all year, that is how it will be in the World Cup. I don't think Owen will win England the World Cup, but he will definitely help.
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Post by deridderforward#23 on Mar 16, 2006 18:58:24 GMT -6
he will defenetly help because hes top class. and you never know it might be englands year. when we play really good we can beat anyone like germany one of the favourites to win the world cup they had nearly the same squad as they do now when england beat them 5-1 with a OWEN hattrick so he can defenetly help. the only thing with england is they have brilliant players but they just dont know how to work with each other as good as brazil do but if england do interact with each other before the worldcup we are defenetly a major threat.
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Post by bignasty on Mar 16, 2006 21:19:41 GMT -6
my bad deridder, that's not what I meant. England are my personal favorite to win it. I just meant another player on England will win them the World Cup, i.e. Rooney.
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Post by usasoccerboy on Mar 16, 2006 21:21:49 GMT -6
Right, I did mean Liverpool.
No one including me ever said OWEN is CRAP!
Again, don't make things up to defend yourself.
England's group is no where near as tough as the USA's group, so you may be right in scoring total.
The USA got screwed in favor of a lousy Mexican side. Still, England is going no where as usual, as they always screw it up.
And the English fans need to get over beating Germany. It was a friendly. Nothing more.
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