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Post by beckhamismyidol on Dec 8, 2006 9:41:46 GMT -6
For some reason I want to say that the rule is you have to start a game with 7 players, otherwise I would think that would be illegal. Really surprised he let the score run up that high, in some cases that could really put a dent in the progress of a new team's organization, it's a real morale blow and could drop some heads, discouraging players to continue to play in fear they'll be humiliated again. Honestly, I'd rather play against 11 too, rather than play against 6 and still be shown up.
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Post by beckhamismyidol on Dec 8, 2006 9:43:52 GMT -6
also I agree with ashfan's statement, nothin wrong with that at all
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Post by jus4kicks on Dec 8, 2006 10:02:57 GMT -6
This game has been completely mischaracterized. Tioga DID play girls out of position and they DID play their bench. This game was in no way mean-spirited.
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Post by menardeagles on Dec 8, 2006 10:22:56 GMT -6
Regardless of players out of position and everyone on the bench playing, there is no reason for running the score up to 17 - 0. You may not have seen it as mean-spirited, but what if your program was on the losing end of a 17 - 0 game?
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Post by ashfan on Dec 8, 2006 10:23:42 GMT -6
jus4kicks could be right. It is just hard to see how one player can score six times in such rapid succession that the coach doesn't have time to play her in a different position or take her off the field.
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Post by swlasoccerfan on Dec 8, 2006 10:50:27 GMT -6
This game has been completely mischaracterized. Tioga DID play girls out of position and they DID play their bench. This game was in no way mean-spirited. I'm sorry 17-0 in no way is appropriate in soccer. Whether you did play your whole bench or not or you did play people out of position or not makes no difference. There are other things that a team can work on once the game is truely out of reach. I have been on both sides of that game, but I must give tioga credit and thank them for playing with so so much heart. It takes a true love for sport to take an 11-0 then 17-0 loss and continue to keep working on improving. Either way the game is over lets move on.
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Post by alleyball on Dec 8, 2006 11:06:49 GMT -6
I agree, there is no reason to score 17 goals against anyone. There has to be mechanisms in place to prevent this type of thing from happening (installed by the coach). Number of passes prior to a shot, only able to shoot off of crosses, only able to shoot off crosses using your head, only able to shoot off your opposite foot on crosses, or any combination of the these. Its just not right.
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Post by mark18 on Dec 8, 2006 11:25:54 GMT -6
I think the only true indication of whether it is appropriate or not comes from the players/coaches of Peabody. What are their thoughts? I find it laughable that 17 is some kind of magical number. FHS and Mandeville for example routinely score 10+ goals against weaker teams and I have not seen anywhere near this level of "outrage". Does it really make that much difference what the level of the score is. Domination is domination and the players and coaches of the losing team will have the same emotional reaction whether its 10 or 17.
One point that has yet to be raised is the center ref's position in all this. Couldn't he/she have called the game early if it had been the case that Tioga was intentionally running up the score or if he/she felt that it was becoming too dangerous to continue.
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Post by PumasFC on Dec 8, 2006 11:50:40 GMT -6
I took a lot of heat last year when I critcize Baton Rouge High for "not trying to score" on Woodlawn when the game was a rout. WHS girls just quit trying after awhile. The game became a travesty. As was stated earlier Tioga could have slowed down the scoring by having to shoot from outside the 18, or only being able to score on crosses but to take players off the field and continue to score is shameful in my opinion (and everyone knows that some elses opinions other than their own are worthless). There is nothing in the rule book that would have allowed the Ref to call the game unless it had become violent some how - hard to picture with girls. Earlier it was also said that coach finished game with six players on the field, he probably wasn't counting the Keeper, who probably didn't see the ball all night by the way. It's a bad spot for coaches to be put in trying to get players not to score, but six by one person when you can sub after each goal sohard to defend not getting her out, unless you're trying to pad her stats to get her voted to the all district team.
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Post by Mung on Dec 8, 2006 11:53:38 GMT -6
Enough already. The lopsided score was bad form, but Tiogie has received their public censure on the board. One must remember that before the Walkers began coaching up there, Tioga was the district doormat since soccer play began, with years of frustration. They have completely turned the Tioga team around, and also coach rec/youth teams, just to help improve soccer in Central La. Let's hope Peabody's coaches can likewise develop the soccer program on that side of town, and soccer will improve and be more inclusive here in Cenla.
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Post by swlasoccerfan on Dec 8, 2006 12:06:05 GMT -6
so ... how bout them Saints??? Sunday night at 7pm against Dallas for those who care...
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Post by ashfan on Dec 8, 2006 12:33:15 GMT -6
Mixed emotions, been in Cenla a few years and want the Saints to do well, BUT have been a Cowboy's fan for a ton of years, going back to Don Perkins, Bob Hayes, Dan Reeves and Don Meredith (before the "ice bowl" days at Green Bay). Never bought in to the idea Texas Stadium was open so God could watch His favorite team play. Still bleed blue and silver though. Hopefully, it will be a good game.
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Post by dhssoccermom25 on Dec 8, 2006 13:19:01 GMT -6
Completely torn on that one, on one hand I am a diehard Cowboy fan from days long gone, but gotta love those Saints, so with all regrets to my Cowboys, go Saints!
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Post by imthebackseatcoach on Dec 8, 2006 14:06:42 GMT -6
Just a reply from me, Coach Walker, as to all the comments on our game against Peabody last night. Such short memories you all seem to have as when ASH regularly beat Tioga 12 and 14 nil, along with Pineville and Bolton, and any other team Tioga happened to play. I still have girls who are seniors this year that was done to, so don't tell me to harness those girls when it's their turn. I am just so sorry it happened to be Peabody, whose Coach Bryan is my friend, and a great guy, instead of one of the teams who did it to Tioga in the past. The six on the field were including the goalkeeper. Burlew DID score from out of the box. The girls DID pass. I have 23 girls on my team, a number of who have NEVER played soccer, even in recreational, before this year, and they STILL scored. Last night was the coldest night we have ever played soccer and I took girls out as much as possible and sat out my starting defenders after scoring the first goal.
I had girls asking to come off the field because they did not want to play against Peabody due to the unfairness. But how does Peabody's Coach build a team if no one will play him correctly, and give him and his girls a false impression of his progress?
That's how we know our progress, by going from being beaten 18 nil (yes, we were beaten 18 nil at one time) to being beaten 12 nil. to being beaten 8 nil, to being beaten 4 nil, to tieing 1 all and then to beating the likes of Pineville, ASH, Bolton DeRidder and the list goes on. An example is Ouachita High School this year, who we finally tied, and holding St. Michael for 93 minutes in our first playoff game EVER last year before they scored against us.
Unless you have a true background knowledge of soccer and how to build a team and how to progress players mentally then please think again about how you critisize before doing so. I have played soccer 38 years and coached and been coached by some of the best there is. I am not just an angry fan or a parent who is coaching because their daughter plays. I have no ties to this school and team except what has been built from a group of kids that couldn't kick a ball 6 years ago when I first met them.
Oh, and by the way, we have another 20 girls who are TRUE Junior Varsity, not ever even getting near the Varsity bench to get sent on the field, like most of the other teams do. These are the girls that would have been cut from most of your teams since they have never kicked a ball. However, we are trying to build a LOVE of soccer here, and a PROGRAM that will continue after I am gone, and it is NOT just about winning and who is scoring and PADDING scores.
I have always tried to coach the game fairly and most of all correctly, but I feel that no matter what we have done there are complaints......
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Post by cenlasocafan on Dec 8, 2006 14:49:03 GMT -6
This game that was 17-0 would have been the ideal situation (at 5-0) for a team to work on a) Team Shape (very poor in this district so far) b) Possession (extremely poor in this district so far) c) Phase of Play (non existent in this district so far) d) High and Low Pressure defending (Haven't seen any low pressure defending as yet) e) Combination plays before going to goal (really haven't seen a good one yet). f) Functional Technical Training and Functional Tactical Training (I really think that this gets missed by our coaches in Cenla. If these things were applied then it would go a long way to educate the losing team on how the game is correctly played and hopefully bring them up to speed and further develop soccer in our area. It would certainly give them a good base for getting into College. All our coaches and parents ever see is wining and losing and never player development which is essential for those players who want to further their careers in soccer at the college level of play. This is my first ever post on this website although I have been a Coach, Fan and now more than ever will paying close attention to our local players.
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Post by extiogaplyr on Dec 8, 2006 19:23:52 GMT -6
As a former Tioga soccer player.... I do not understand why the Peabody Tioga score was such a big deal... I really don't feel that it is fair to sit here behind your usernames and say such mean things. Coach Walker is NOT an idiot and you are saying Coach Walker has no class yet you sit there calling names? Where is the logic in that? And it is so funny that some say he can't coach, yet since he has come into the soccer prgram at Tioga High the girls have COMPLETELY turned around. We may not have been beat by that high a score, but we were also used as a "practice game." And we got better and are where we are now because we were beat so bad by other teams, and we used that as our motivation. By the way at the game last night the Tioga girls did end the game with 6 on the field...INCLUDING the keeper, at that point in time it really wan't a big issue, and we were still scoring! How do you tell girls who have felt that kind of heat for years to stop? Next time anyone has any commentary on the way Tioga plays, at least be at the game. And another thing, what is the magic number? Sam Houston beat Peabody 10-0. Last year we beat Leesville 12-2. What is the magic number? When is the right time to stop? And do you not think that LHSAA would provide a score at which the game needed to be stopped if it were necessary? All of these things need to be taken into consideration before anyone gets all upset and makes a fool out of themselve. Some of you on here are saying that you were disgusted with the score, well I am disgusted with those who call names, and judge to quickly on something that they did not see for themselves. So, I commend Coach Walker for turning the girls soccer program at Tioga High around, and for all those in the background (imthebackseatcoach) who helped him get there!
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Post by ontheRun24 on Dec 9, 2006 0:04:27 GMT -6
jus4kicks---
no i wasn't at the game and im glad i wasnt. i dont even know wat else to say about 17-0 killing of a first year program. something could have been different. 6-0 is a lot and at that point the coach should have had the team playin posession and when they get to the 18...drop it back and play it to the keeper and work it back up the field...no shots.
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Post by Mung on Dec 10, 2006 20:20:01 GMT -6
ASH at Sam Houston, Monday, Dec. 11, 7pm.
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Post by imthebackseatcoach on Dec 11, 2006 21:18:37 GMT -6
Tioga 3 - Leesville 0 Morgan Burlew 2 Nicky Parker 1
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Post by barbedad20 on Dec 11, 2006 21:49:42 GMT -6
ASH at Sam Houston, Monday, Dec. 11, 7pm. Mung...Where were you? I went to the game to meet ya and asked a few ASH parents and no one claimed to be the famous Mung!! I did get a chance to see Phariss play and she is the real deal. Great speed and touch off the ball. I introduced myself to her parents and they are nice people. Sorry we missed you here in Lake Charles. By the way ASH beat Sam Houston 2-0.
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