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Post by goat on Mar 3, 2004 20:11:36 GMT -6
i am realy getting tried of seeing acadiana rank 5th. remember they are the only team to beat lafayette twice this year! i know it was a sloopy game for acadiana but they also beat rummel. how can anyone in there right mind put them 5th went they made it to the semi's! yes i am bias but come on the rams deserve and earned a top 4 ranking!
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Post by McScruff on Mar 3, 2004 21:01:36 GMT -6
I thought the Rams were perfect where I ranked them...back at number 11. ;D
GOAT I AM ONLY KIDDING, PLEASE DO NOT RESPOND TO THIS.
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Post by hdkjga on Mar 3, 2004 21:30:17 GMT -6
Lafayette.....won state, Jesuit beat Acadiana and have been one of the teams to beat all year, CL went into the playoffs ranked #2 and would have been in the semis had they not played Jesuit in the quarters, Rummel was ranked #3 going in and lost in the semis, Acadiana was ranked #9 and beat Catholic BR in a great game and then lost to Jesuit in semis.
Last time Acadiana beat Lafayette was 2 months ago. That win was taken into account in rankings in the past. Point is, it's an opinion. Every team except Lafayette lost their last game. 2-10 is all judgement. I think Jesuit proved they are #2.......3-5 stays in the same order they went into the playoffs at. All 3 can beat each other anytime.
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Post by maddie86 on Mar 3, 2004 21:35:59 GMT -6
1) Lafayette 2) Jesuit 3) Acadiana 4) Rummel 5) Central Lafourche 6) St. Pauls (tie) 6) Sulphur (tie) 8) Catholic BR 9) Northshore 10) BM or Capt Shreve
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Post by lasocrfan on Mar 3, 2004 21:49:40 GMT -6
I'm not going to argue where Rummel should be ranked - but I still don't think Jesuit is #2. Those who are ranking them #2 on the basis of making the finals are using flawed logic. If Jesuit would have been in the top half of the bracket they would have lost in the semis and would have never made the finals. And remember, they couldn't even score on Lafayette. Beyond that, #'s 2-5 could beat eachother on any given day.
Also, I don't understand hdkjga's post when he stated that Rummel relied on PKs too much. The only game out of 31 played that they won in a shootout was against St. Paul's. No game this year did they win on a PK. They, in fact, lost to CL on a PK.
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Post by Smeagle on Mar 3, 2004 22:12:47 GMT -6
yes but they also lost to CL 1-0
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Post by McScruff on Mar 3, 2004 23:08:40 GMT -6
I can't tell you how much I am enjoying the argument over who's second. It feels good to be the champ.
As for Jesuit not scoring against Lafayette, I have to say that they had better chances than other teams that Lafayette played in the playoffs, but Lafayette's D (by the way, when I say D I am talking about the whole team not just the back 4 and keeper. The entire team played great defense in the championship game) was the best it has been all year. In my opinion it was a great defensive game. Anyway, I don't by the argument that one team should be ranked ahead of another because one team scored against Lafayette and the other didn't...especially if one team's only goal was a PK.
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Post by hdkjga on Mar 4, 2004 1:44:50 GMT -6
lasocrfan,
Rummel's last two points scored in games were off PKs. The arguement keeps getting brought up that Rummel scored on Lafayette on a PK. Also, Rummel had the better of the two defenses and Lafayette put 3 in and only 1 on Jesuit. I have Jeusit #2 because if you ask anyone who they would rather play between Rummel and Jesuit, everyone will say Rummel.....Jesuit was top 2 all year until the last coaches' poll. Rummel beat them in the last minute of the game. That was a big win for Rummel, BM beat Jesuit in a shootout and that's what put Rummel in as the #1 seed.....I don't want to take away from Rummel, they were a good team and had a great defense. I just think Jesuit was a more dangerous team and you could see that in the finals when they played Lafayette. Jesuit had better opportunities to score on Lafayette than Rummel did. Like I said though it's all opinion. If Lafayette would have lost in the finals, I would be fighting to have Lafayette as high as I could realistically get them.
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Post by lasocrfan on Mar 4, 2004 9:29:41 GMT -6
Does it really matter how or when you score? It still counts as a goal. Yeah, they scored in the last minute of the Jesuit game. But, we scored in the last minute, they didn't; so we won. In order to score on a PK you have to be in a position to score or threaten to score. I know it is not your intention, but the fact that Rummel scored on lafayette is not cheapened because it was a PK. Who is "everyone"? Ask me and I'd say I would rather play Jesuit than Lafayette. But, that's okay because Rummel doesn't mind "sneaking up" on people. Yeah Lafayette put 3 in on Rummel. But, could the third goal be somewhat the result of Rummel pressing because they were behind? Look, Lafayette is the better team. All I ask is don't judge a team based on their last 30 minutes - look at the entire season. I was one of the first to congratulate the Lions and agree that the best team in the state is the state champ. I just don't agree with some of the other things that have been posted. But, that's what makes this fun. It would be a boring site if everyone agreed. Finally, I just want people to judge Jesuit on what they did this year, not on their reputation.
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Post by Smeagle on Mar 4, 2004 11:27:15 GMT -6
lets see....
CL and Acadiana beat Rummel... Rummel beats Jesuit 1 of 2... Jesuit beats CL and Acadiana.... So it is kinda hard to rank these 4 teams
there we go mcscruff
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Post by McScruff on Mar 4, 2004 11:49:24 GMT -6
good point, Smeagle. Also, Jesuit beat Rummel in their first district match.
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Post by Smeagle on Mar 4, 2004 12:43:25 GMT -6
so lets see... against each other: Jesuit Rummel CL Acadiana
Jesuit: 3-1 CL: 2-1 Acadiana 1-2 Rummel 1-4
sorry about that goat... but my point is this... rummel is last amongst these and jesuit is first
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Post by goat on Mar 4, 2004 12:44:34 GMT -6
acadiana was 1 and 2 we loss to jesuit twice
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Post by Frank the Tank on Mar 4, 2004 13:06:06 GMT -6
Jesuit: 3-1 CL: 2-1 Acadiana 1-2 Rummel 1-4
I agree Smeagle, but I can't put CL over Acadiana. Here's why: Acadiana had to play Jesuit twice, Rummel once. CL had to play Jesuit once, Rummel twice.
Jesuit has beaten all 3 teams, and lost to Rummel Acadiana beat Rummel, and only lost to Jesuit. CL only beat Rummel, and only lost to Jesuit. Rummel beat Jesuit, but also lost to all of these teams.
CL/Jesuit v. Acadiana/Jesuit - both teams lost by 2...Acadiana didn't score, but only got scored on twice.
JUST BY THE RESULTS...I'd say: 1-Jesuit 2-CL/Acadiana 4-Rummel
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Post by Frank the Tank on Mar 4, 2004 13:17:19 GMT -6
I was about to post what my perspective on these 4 teams is, but it was just too hard. I couldn't make up my mind. The only thing i can say with confidence , is that Jesuit was the best out of these 4 teams THIS YEAR. Acadiana, Rummel, and CL is all just a big blurr.
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Post by lasocrfan on Mar 4, 2004 13:24:54 GMT -6
CL lost to Vandy - Rummel beat Vandy twice. Jesuit lost to Br. Martin - Rummel beat Br. Martin twice. Acadiana lost to Jesuit - Rummel split with Jesuit.
How far do we carry this out?
Let's agree that all of us could find facts to support our feelings and agree to disagree. But, let's continue to be accurate in what we post. One thing is not disputable this year - Lafayette is #1 and everyone else is second.
Are you having as much fun with this as I am?
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Post by Smeagle on Mar 4, 2004 13:26:12 GMT -6
Of course i am... i just posted them 4 because they were argueable the 2nd in top in division one... that is why i only took it that far
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Post by McScruff on Mar 4, 2004 14:10:15 GMT -6
I agree with Frank on this. Completely. I think he has a pretty good feel for these teams, also.
Come on lasocrfan. You say you want us to just post the facts, but you keep posting only half of the facts. You said "Jesuit lost to Br. Martin - Rummel beat Br. Martin twice." Jesuit beat brother martin and then lost to them in a shootout.
Yeah, I am having fun with this.
Sucky!?! Is that really you?
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Post by Smeagle on Mar 4, 2004 14:57:36 GMT -6
Sucky!?! Is that really you? Of course its me... but its not my original 281 post name... The screen name for this one is actually Smeagle, but i set it where it will display 1SuckyPlayer.... Ok on this topic I know so here we go: The fact is that you can argue all day that many teams deserve the #2 spot... but is there a true way to prove this? By this i mean... You can set up 3 teams to play each other... Team A, Team B, and Team C... These teams may all be 2-1 with a losing to b... b losing to c.... c losing to a!! so how do you pick the #2??? It all depends on that day and how well the team players together!! BUT, the big fact is it is how well the other team matches speed, talent ect. with the other team
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Post by Frank the Tank on Mar 4, 2004 15:21:31 GMT -6
CL lost to Vandy - Rummel beat Vandy twice. Jesuit lost to Br. Martin - Rummel beat Br. Martin twice. Acadiana lost to Jesuit - Rummel split with Jesuit. CL and Rummel have played each other. Jesuit and Rummel have played each other. Acadiana and Rummel have played each other. My point is...there is no need to bring up how these teams compare, when they are playing against other teams. This would be an acceptable way of comparison if the 2 teams you are comparing have never played each other. What I mean is: Instead of saying CL lost to vandy, Rummel beat Vandy twice...you could say "CL beat Rummel twice" Instead of saying Jesuit lost to Br. Martin - Rummel beat Br. Martin twice...you could say "Jesuit and Rummel split" Instead of saying Acadiana lost to Jesuit - Rummel split with Jesuit...you could say "Acadiana beat Rummel"
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