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Post by deridderforward#23 on Jan 13, 2006 13:36:14 GMT -6
well marysol and jeanette
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Post by imthebackseatcoach on Jan 13, 2006 18:12:15 GMT -6
Well you guys could very well be correct....that's why I'm just the backseatcoach . The whole way they do the scoring for shootouts is totally foreign to me - last night was my first ever to even see. I guess I should check with the refs to see how it was actually scored. Every day is a new learning experience!
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Post by deridderforward#23 on Jan 13, 2006 19:52:04 GMT -6
marisol*
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Post by deridderforward#23 on Jan 13, 2006 19:53:12 GMT -6
the deridder vs tioga game was a very high scoring game and it was fun to watch. those kind of games carm my nerves for when i have to play straight after them. The Deridder girls might go far this year.
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Post by imthebackseatcoach on Jan 14, 2006 15:38:12 GMT -6
you guys were right, the pk shootout counts 1 goal for whoever wins the shootout, so DeRidder 5, Tioga 4. The problem with the rules online (specifically on the LHSAA site) is they are not always right. After the DeRidder game played the first overtime I thought it was over because Tioga during the 10 minute overtime, so the game was no longer tied (not to be confused with the golden goal rule). That is how the rules are posted on LHSAA. However, the rulebook the refs have states two 10 minute halves will be played no matter what and then the shootout if a tie is still in place. Someone needs to get the refs, coaches and LHSAA together. I know the hurricanes messed up the rules cllinics, but I have seen several problems this year with rules being interpreted differently by each referee, rules posted incorrectly in one or more places and a really broad interpretation of rules by all. If eveyone is on the same page the game can be enjoyed and no one can complain about calls or rules at the end (I know, that will never really happen).
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Post by PumasFC on Jan 14, 2006 16:11:07 GMT -6
I was of the impression that once a game finished regulation as a draw, TWO ten minute overtimes were required to decide a winner. It may be a district by district decision, I'm not sure either. Personally I like the two overtimes if they aren't going to play for Golden Goal.
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Post by imthebackseatcoach on Jan 15, 2006 0:44:17 GMT -6
PumaFc, the guidelines are indeed two 10 minute periods as stated in the rule books the referees have. However, for novices like me who go to the LHSAA website to see the "rules", as I said I was confused because Rule 17 clearly states the one 10 minute time period unless the score does not change. The harder I try to learn correctly the more confused I become .
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Post by deridderforward#23 on Jan 15, 2006 10:50:02 GMT -6
isnt the golden goal not aloud anymore?
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Post by dhssoccermom25 on Jan 15, 2006 12:09:52 GMT -6
doesn't golden goal apply either after the 1st or 2nd shootout? Its all pretty confusing this year
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Post by on Jan 15, 2006 14:16:24 GMT -6
As I understand it, we follow the national high school fedearation rules except for overtimes in district play. After the firat 10 minute overtime, if the score is still tied, then and only then do you play another 10 minute overtime. At least that is what we played last year. Unless they changed it for this year, the game should have been over after the firat 10 minute overtime.
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Post by dhssoccermom25 on Jan 15, 2006 14:41:30 GMT -6
The explanation as I understand it from that game was the wind, so still not sure of the correct ruling
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Post by observer on Jan 15, 2006 15:01:08 GMT -6
Under LHSAA rules ( 17.9 ) district ties are broken with a 10 minute overtime. If the game is still tied, a additional 10 minute overtime is played. If still tied, the game goes to penalty kicks. under this rule the game should have been over after the first overtime. Now, for playoffs, LHSAA defers to the National Federation rule book which has 2 ten minute periods with both having to be played. This is clearly stated in the LHSAA handbook. It is the coaches responsibility to know the rules and verify them before the overtime starts. Wind is never a consideration.
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Post by dhssoccermom25 on Jan 15, 2006 23:05:08 GMT -6
After speaking to one of the coaches I found out that the officials apparently stated prior to the game that was the format if OT was needed. Can't explain why, but thats the answer
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Post by imthebackseatcoach on Jan 16, 2006 10:41:10 GMT -6
We are not speaking of a golden goal rule here. It is scoring in a 10 minute overtime, whether one goal or 5 goals are scored. Golden goal is where first goal wins. I was actually picking up my things to leave since the score was no longer tied after the 10 minute period when the girls were told to switch sides. It is indeed very confusing this year. I bet they don't cancel those Rules Clinics next year! As far as the format stated before the game, they did not tell ALL the coaches because Coach Walker was not aware. And we play in pouring rain as long as there is no lightning, so wind would be no factor at all. We were gathering our things when the team was told to go back on the field. We just thought we had misunderstood the rules at the time.
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Post by dhssoccermom25 on Jan 16, 2006 13:30:58 GMT -6
Well, I can't explain it, but also we can't change it either, just move on. You are correct about things this year being very confusing though.
On another note, DeRidder @ Sam Houston- postponed til tomorrow night
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Post by FYSA Director of Coaching on Jan 16, 2006 16:21:28 GMT -6
It is decided at the District referee meeting as to how they are going to apply the overtime rule. LHSAA states that if a team scores during the first period of overtime then at the end of that period the result will stand, but this does not have to be adhered too if at the District meeting they decide otherwise. This is what I have found out from discussions with the officials.
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Post by PumasFC on Jan 16, 2006 17:53:02 GMT -6
Seems like the rules should be made uniform across the state then you wouldn't have these kind of incidents happening.
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Post by Mung on Jan 16, 2006 21:14:18 GMT -6
1/16 ASH over Pineville, 5-0, at ASH. After a ton of missed shots by ASH, Lindsay Pharris got her first goal of the night on a pass from Midfielder Alex Engelsman. Pharris' second came after Sarah Bidursky shot a rocket off the top bar, and Lindsay put in the rebound from 5 yards out. Pineville threatened to score several times, including a couple off the posts before half. ASH up 2-0 at the half. Pharris completed her hat trick with a wicked hard shot off the goalie, to the top bar, and back off the goalie and in. Meagan Reynolds put in the 4th goal on a beautiful cross from Sarah Bindursky, then later completed the scoring on a long breakaway.
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Post by FYSA Director of Coaching on Jan 16, 2006 23:25:24 GMT -6
The overtime rules for soccer are uniform over the state. District referees associations have no authority to change the LHSAA rules. I suggest that when this happens it be reported to LHSAA, not just talked about here on this forum. I personally feel in some situations that the individual referees have not reviewed the proper OT rules and are refereeing by the seat of their pants when it comes to OT in district games. This is not a judgment call by a referee but could be protestable because it deals with misapplication of the LHSAA rules, judgment calls are not protestable. Very good point, but what if all the Districts are not informed about certain rules. I believe that this may have been the case here. I too have read the ruling on the LHSAA website but i am pretty sure that there is probably a communication breakdown here. All the referees abide by the NFHS for High School soccer games and it clearly states there that 2 full 10 minute overtime periods shall be played. Obviously clarification is needed here as LHSAA are not adhering to the National Federation of High Schools. But then again this is no great surprise!!!
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Post by imthebackseatcoach on Jan 16, 2006 23:51:26 GMT -6
Tioga over Leesville 12-2 Tioga began play with 3 starters on the bench and outshot Leesville 16 - 3. Julie Jones scored the first two goals with assists from Morgan Burlew, then Morgan went in on her own for the 3rd goal. Julie scored two more goals before the half with another assist from Morgan. Tioga's keeper was caught out of the goal on a textbook 1-2 from #17 to #9. and Leesville's #18 scored from a PK awarded in the first half.
Tioga's 11 starters were on the field for the start of the 2nd half and were 14 shots for 7 goals. Leesville didn't get a shot off in the second half. Julie Jones got an assist from Nicky Parker for her 5th goal of the game and Morgan Burlew got assists from Julie Jones and Megan Robbins for two of the 6 goals she recorded in the second half. Leesville has improved from the first game of District. They have a young English guy helping out and you can see his influence on the field.
Next up for Tioga is Pineville on Thursday night at Pineville.
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